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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

By Nathan Willis on August 28, 2007 (9:00:00 AM)

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My Series 1 TiVo is getting old, so I am planning an escape route based on MythTV, a free software system that turns an old computer into a personal video recorder. This week I tested three MythTV-specific Linux distributions: KnoppMyth, MythDora, and MythBuntu. I found MythDora the best overall fit for my needs -- but there are important distinctions between the three that may lead you to a different decision.

My curiosity toward MythTV-specific distros was touched off by MythBuntu's latest release earlier this month, Public Alpha 3. I run Ubuntu on my primary desktop machine, and had a relatively painless experience installing MythTV on it courtesy of the official repositories. Only while waiting for the MythBuntu ISO image to download did I decide to check out its competition.

MythBuntu Public Alpha 3 is based on development builds of Ubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy Gibbon," and provides users with MythTV version 0.20.1. It is available as a 423MB ISO image via BitTorrent download.

MythDora 4 is built on top of Fedora Core 6, also providing MythTV 0.20.1, and is available (via direct download only) as a 1.0GB DVD ISO image or as two CD-sized ISO images.

KnoppMyth R5F1 is built from scratch using pieces of Knoppix 5.0 and Debian Sid; it comes with a slightly older version of MythTV -- a patched version of 0.20 -- and is available through BitTorrent as a 584MB ISO.

I tested all three distros on two configurations: an Intel-based test machine with both analog and digital capture cards, and a VMware virtual machine through which I captured the lovely screenshots littered about this page.

Once you burn a disc and pop it into the optical drive, all three contestants follow the same basic playbook: install the operating system, set up MythTV's back end, then launch the MythTV front end. But, as always, the devil's in the details.

Installation and configurationfest

MythTV distro installer start screens

The MythBuntu install started off rocky. The installer misconfigured X by attempting to use the disabled onboard video instead of the attached video card. Normally that is a fixable mistake, but when the live CD fails to start X and drops to single-user mode, you first must repair xorg.conf, then figure out how to resume the installation process. Since MythBuntu is at such a preliminary release stage, this problem will probably get fixed when upstream Gutsy Gibbon stabilizes.

Like other *buntus, MythBuntu boots into a live CD system. From the live CD desktop you have to manually start the install process. The installer itself is slick, as is typical of Ubuntu. The GTK theme, however, needs replacing -- not for the aesthetic reasons I usually complain about, but because the on and off button states are too difficult to distinguish. That is very important at install time, when a bad selection can hose your entire hard drive, and doubly so when running a live CD with its slow user interface response time.

The installer prompts you for the usual system setup preferences -- language, user name, etc. -- but also asks you for several MythTV configuration details, which at this stage of the installation you may not be expecting. You are asked whether you want to install proprietary video drivers (a normal OS installation question), then how many tuners the MythTV back end will have (a MythTV installation question), then how you want to partition your hard drives (another OS installation question).

Once you've answered all the questions, MythBuntu jumps right into the OS install, without giving you a chance to select packages. As soon as the OS install finishes, you can launch the mythtv-setup tool and configure MythTV.

MythDora by contrast is not a live CD; when you boot from the MythDora disc you head right for Fedora's Anaconda graphical installation program. Here again, the installer is straightforward on the OS-level decisions. You do have a minimal selection of packages to choose from at install time, including proprietary video drivers broken down by video card, wireless networking drivers, and some MythTV development packages.

MythDora requires a reboot after initial OS installation; upon restart you must walk through a "first boot" wizard to finalize the OS configuration, covering items like firewall settings, SELinux configuration, and sound card setup. Only after you have done this do you begin setting up your system for MythTV-specific configuration like IR Blaster and remote control devices. You can elect to start the normal MythTV front end automatically, or to start the power-saving alternate MythWelcome front end.

The Linux system installed by MythDora differs from MythBuntu's in one fundamental way: user accounts. During installation, MythBuntu prompts you to set up one regular user account; there is no root account, so you perform all system maintenance using sudo. MythDora, on the other hand, sets up a "mythtv" user account for you, and a root account for which you must set the password.

MythTV distro installers in-progress

KnoppMyth can run as a live CD, and in fact it can boot directly into MythTV front-end mode, but I tested it in the most common MythTV configuration, as a combined front- and back-end box. KnoppMyth uses a text-based installer, but it walks you through OS setup just as smoothly as the flashier GUI installers in the other distros. KnoppMyth takes yet a third approach to account management: it creates a "mythtv" user, but prompts you to create a basic user account of your own, and creates a root account for which you must select the password.

After you install the basic OS, KnoppMyth reboots, automatically starts a user session, and launches a second-stage installer for detailed setup, including video drivers and sound card testing. Once finished, this second-stage installer launches the MythTV setup program for you.

Comparing the running systems

As mentioned above, all three distros ship with a 0.20.x-series MythTV setup. This is the latest stable release from the MythTV project. Although the patch levels differ between the distros, all are on equivalent ground when it comes to hardware support and critical software features like video deinterlacing.

Similarly, all three distros purport to use the same version of MythTV Plugins, the official package that enables all of the advanced "media center" features of MythTV. It includes MythArchive, MythDVD, MythFlix, MythGallery, MythGame, MythMusic, MythNews, MythPhone, MythVideo, and MythWeather. MythBuntu alone omits MythStream, a newer plugin designed to handle audio and video RSS feeds.

Conveniently for the reviewer, all three distros choose a different default MythTV theme. MythBuntu uses "G.A.N.T.," MythDora "Retro," and KnoppMyth "Titivillus." Among those, I find Retro by far the nicest and most modern, so MythDora picks up some points for taste. Of course your preference may vary wildly, but the choice of theme can be important for usability -- most MythTV setup and navigation is done with the keyboard, cursor hidden, so a theme's highlighting can make the difference between knowing where in the menu you are and guessing.

A hassle-free, click-to-start MythTV box is the dream, but from time to time MythTV users will need to administer their systems like normal Linux machines. Some consider that a shortcoming (i.e., "MythTV isn't as easy to use as TiVo"), but don't forget that it is part of the power of MythTV, too. One of the benefits of the system is the ability to make changes -- to add features with plugins; add new capture, storage, and output hardware; or connect multiple MythTV boxes together.

MythTV distro menu themes

All three MythTV distros include only the bare minimum of nonessential packages. MythBuntu uses the slim OpenBox window manager, but it includes the graphical Synaptic package manager, through which you can install anything available through the normal Ubuntu repositories. MythDora provides a normal Fedora desktop (including its package manager), so if you are used to running GNOME, you will find it easy to work with. KnoppMyth uses Fluxbox, and provides the text-mode Aptitude package manager, but does not offer much in the way of additional software to install.

How to choose

To decide which MythTV distro is best for you, you have to determine where you want the convenience. In my tests, KnoppMyth booted and installed to hard disk the fastest, while MythDora was slowest. On the other hand, the install process itself is easiest to follow in MythDora -- the steps and the options better explained, with none of the jumping back and forth between OS and MythTV configuration so prevalent in MythBuntu's installer.

Of course the power of the running system matters more than the installation process. All three distros give you more or less equivalent builds of MythTV and its plugins. If you care about security, you should consider the three different user/root account models and pick the one with which you are most comfortable. MythDora installs the most packages out of the box (hence its long install time); if you are trying to build a slim system you might think that's bad, but it's not bloat -- some of the included apps are really useful, such as the optical disc burner utility K3b.

For regular system maintenance, KnoppMyth simply isn't in the same ballpark as MythBuntu and MythDora. The live CD heritage of Knoppix means you cannot update individual packages, which is fine if you like that, but for an always-on system like a MythTV back end, I'd prefer flexibility and configurability of a mainline distro.

When all is said and done, if I were building my TiVo replacement today, I would do it with MythDora. MythBuntu shows a lot of promise, and I will give the final 7.10 release another look (in part because I run Ubuntu on my desktop machines), but it isn't ready yet. But whichever option you choose, rest assured that setting up an up-to-date, correctly configured MythTV box has never been easier.

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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 217.216.158.87] on August 28, 2007 12:39 PM
Nice review. Thank you.

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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 62.123.150.20] on August 28, 2007 12:42 PM

Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 207.11.113.30] on August 28, 2007 01:22 PM
Nice review. I am trying to decide which distro as well. Have you considered LinuxMCE based on Kubuntu? http://linuxmce.com/

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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 69.106.137.91] on August 28, 2007 08:44 PM
Nice. It would also be great to see a comparison between the best MythTV setups like this, and LinuxMCE which is looking pretty good these days.

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Scheduledirect

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 63.228.61.165] on August 28, 2007 08:51 PM
Have fun paying for listings for your "free" PVR

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Re: Scheduledirect

Posted by: Nathan Willis on August 28, 2007 09:17 PM
Where did I say the words "free" PVR?



Nate

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Re: Scheduledirect

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 124.168.200.82] on August 29, 2007 05:20 AM
LOL I get free listings legally, I guess some countries are are more crap than others

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Re: Scheduledirect

Posted by: Scott Carr on August 30, 2007 05:26 AM
As opposed to what? Tivo charges for the schedule as well as for the "maintenance". $5 a month is not bad, and SchedulesDirect is looking at reducing that after they understand exactly what kind of expenditures to expect. They are not doing this because the WANT to, they are trying to provide the service without going into dept.

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Re: Scheduledirect

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 208.57.0.134] on November 27, 2007 10:52 PM
Its almost free. $20/year is less than $2/month so I dont really see that as an issue.

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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 146.74.216.98] on August 28, 2007 09:07 PM
Nice short review and mostly dead-on. I, too, have tried both KnoppMyth and MythDora. Both are great systems. I have my PVR running KnoppMyth and your statement of not being able to upgrade individual packages is incorrect. It has the standard apt tools that all Debian-based systems have. Install and upgrade of packages is accomplished by a simple apt-get at the command line.

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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 66.120.226.1] on August 28, 2007 09:09 PM
I started KnoppMyth over 4 years ago, so I'm biased.

The comparison seemed rather dull and uninformed. The installation, default theme and the "running" systems are compared. In the end, it comes to "convenience". This is where the author's lack of information really shines.

To stated that one cannot install additional software on KnoppMyth is wrong. You can install a .deb or install from source. The problem comes in if you want to auto upgrade to the next release (BTW: Neither of the other options supports an auto upgrade functions. MythDora is working on it however.). Whatever additional packages you installed, you'll have to reinstall (R6 will address this). But what do you need to install (other than perhaps pineapple and some codecs ;)? And if you read tjc's guide to using the backup and restore, you'll only have to install those once.

In addition to MythTV and it's official plugins KnoppMyth includes mplayer, xine, webmin (how is that for conveniences?), rrd (hit Apache and see how your system as been performing, seems pretty convenient to me), MythWebFlash, irblaster support and so much more.

In addition to the official themes, we also include most if not all of "Juski's" <URL:http://juski.co.uk/>themes are included as well. So while the author didn't like Titivillus, there is nothing stopping him or any user from using any theme. Got an ipod? What to take that show with you? Myth2ipod <URL:http://www.myth2ipod.com/>is include in KnoppMyth. Or stream it with MythStreamTV.

Both NFS and Samba are included and configured. All one has to do is start the daemons. Got an nvidia based video adapter? Guess what is automatically installed on first boot? Navigate with a keyboard? KnoppMyth includes out the box support for multiple remotes. Guess which distro was the first to officially support the popular Hauppauge PVR line of hardware MPEG tuners?

The ideal behind KnoppMyth is to make it easy to get a Linux/MythTV powered PVR is a quick and easy manner. Some of you already get this... Think appliance. KnoppMyth is into it's fifth year and we'll continue to improve and develop it. Much thanks to member of the community for the improvements, ideals and support. I do wish MythDora and MythBuntu well, however as I see it... They are threading on ground already paved.

Regards,

Cecil

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Re: Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Nathan Willis on August 28, 2007 09:33 PM
Actually, Cecil, what I said was that you cannot update individual packages, as you can through MythDora or MythBuntu's inherited parent distro repositories and built-in update tools. As you said, when you upgrade the distro itself, you have to reinstall your extras. That's not true with MythBuntu (and since I'm not as familiar with MythDora and Fedora's update utilities, I'll refrain from weighing in on it).


As to what-do-you-need-to-install-beyond-the-base-packages -- well, that's up to every user individually, isn't it? Although you do mention some relevant ones there: additional MythTV plugins and MythTV themes.

Nate

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Re: Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 67.83.60.126] on August 29, 2007 03:06 AM
Don't want to be a troll or flame baiting but wasn't KnoppMyth discontinued?

I have my copy that has been running 3 years without any issues other than disk space issues. (Yes there is the ability to remove old shows but my wife freaks out about it cause my daughter's cartoons hold the majority of 300GB so it's disabled). I never got the remote on the PVR150 to work correctly but it seems to be an issue with the version of the card that I have and the PVR drivers. The keyboard is great for editing. I need to upgrade soon because of the listings being discontinued.

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Re(1): Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Nathan Willis on August 29, 2007 05:00 AM
No, the version tested in the review was KnoppMyth R5F1 (the version "numbers" for KnoppMyth always include several letters, too). It came out just a few months ago -- perhaps May? You can go to the site and see if the Changelog shows the exact release date.

Nate

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Not a good review

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 63.192.0.27] on August 28, 2007 09:50 PM
All three are "more or less" the same? I'll bet you never actually USED any of them, apart from just basic installation.

You got KnoppMyth totally wrong when you dissed it for not being maintainable. You also missed the important point that KM spends a huge amount of time testing and tuning its configuration to run out-of-the-box on the widest variety of hardware. They also undertake efforts as a community to fix broken features such as MythWeather (which is broken under Myth but fixed under KM).

You failed to mention the underlying philosophy of each distro -- in the case of KM the goal is to be a settop box, not a linux distro that also captures TV. This fact makes it understandable why KM might not include packages which are only useful with keyboard and mouse attached.

Your superficial coverage of these distros is a disservice to people who might mistake your review for something more comprehensive than it is. Sorry for the harsh words, I'm having a bad week. But that's how I see it.

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Re: Not a good review

Posted by: Nathan Willis on August 28, 2007 10:33 PM
You lose your bet. I taped analog cable, digital HDTV cable, and OTA HDTV on all of them, both scheduled EPG recording and live. Sorry that it seems like your week isn't improving.

Hopefully when it does, you will come back and succeed to mention the underlying philosophies of the other two distros. Until then, I have confidence in our readers that they will not mistake the contents of any of our articles for being something other than what they are.

Nate

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Re(1): Not a good review

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 64.201.244.130] on August 29, 2007 05:40 AM
Oh, am I to come back and discuss the philosophies of all three distros? I was under the impression that YOU were doing the review. But I guess we covered that. From the other comments, I already observe some of your readers deciding to trust your judgment and ignore distros other than MythDora. After all, your "review" was so complete and comprehensive. Thanks for the great service to the community.

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Re(2): Not a good review

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 60.234.209.108] on August 29, 2007 12:47 PM
I'd normally avoid reading comments such as this as it smells very troll-like, but I must thank you for making me stop and consider the other distros as well. I was prepared to just grab MythDora but now I'll look a bit harder at the others. It's been a while since I've tried any Knoppix based distros, I might be pleasantly surprised. Thanks Anon....

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Re(2): Not a good review

Posted by: Nathan Willis on August 29, 2007 02:03 PM
Oh, I don't think anyone expects anonymous trolls to contribute any real information to public discussion. Thanks for reading!

Nate

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Re(3): Not a good review

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 124.171.172.7] on August 29, 2007 09:40 PM
Nathan, I have to agree with the anonymous poster in that you have not done KnoppMyth justice at all. Your review was not objective and did not clearly state what the objectives that were to be achieved and did not state how each distro met/do not meet those stated objectives.

Your criticism of the anonymous writer are unfounded, you have not properly done your research and your have factual errors in your story. KnoppMyth whilst originally based on Knoppix when installed becomes a Debian system which if you didn't already know is the underlying system behind Ubuntu.

The community development behind KnoppMyth is considerable, how many PCs can you buy with MythDora or Mythbuntu preinstalled?

How often are releases, how are they maintained, what hardware do they work on, what community support is available? There are all questions that are not in your review and your lack of openness for feedback is disheartening.

Girkers

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Re(4): Not a good review

Posted by: Nathan Willis on August 30, 2007 03:34 AM
Actually, no. I gave each distro equal time and equal space. I began and ended the review explicitly stating that my conclusions were mine and were a matter of what met my needs the best. I neither discouraged anyone from trying any of the distros reviewed, nor said any of them was unworthy. I state the good things I found about all three distros, and I state the shortcomings I found in all three distros. That is what objectivity is. It is not an attack on KnoppMyth nor an attack on MythBuntu when I say that if I were building my box today, I would do it with MythDora. I think it's sad that so many people associated with KnoppMyth seem to think that it is.

Every reader and every MythTV user has complete freedom to decide which criteria are important to them ... as is written in the article. But just because you disagree with the conclusion does not mean you have been misused and abused. Use different criteria if you want, and come to a different decision if you want. In fact, come to the comment section and promote KnoppMyth all you want. But if all you're going to do is accuse everyone who disagrees with you of blindness and stupidity, don't expect much response.

Nate

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Re(4): Not a good review

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Re(3): Not a good review

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 71.173.147.173] on August 31, 2007 05:01 PM
When readers see you responding to comments unprofessionally like this, they'll know to not trust your articles. Thanks for doing the heavy lifting for us!

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Re: Not a good review

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: unknown] on September 26, 2007 09:46 PM

Re(1): Not a good review

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 68.227.218.108] on September 30, 2007 06:51 AM
Link like <a href="http://rkp4k.blogspot.com/2007/09/mythbuntu-vs-mythdora-vs-knoppmyth.html">this</a>, jackass.

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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 75.71.79.196] on August 28, 2007 10:14 PM
This article is essentially useless. Next time focus on things that actually matter for an HTPC; broad hardware support, content playing ability (codecs), ease of content sharing over LAN, etc.

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Re: Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Nathan Willis on August 28, 2007 10:26 PM
Oh, no need to wait -- I'll do that right now. Here goes:

Since all three distros ship the same versions of MythTV and MythTV Plugins, they all have the same hardware support, content playing ability (including codecs), and ease of content sharing over LAN.


Hope that helped.

Nate

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Re(1): Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 68.111.73.81] on August 29, 2007 08:14 AM
Except its not true!

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Re(1): Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 212.241.87.176] on November 15, 2007 08:51 PM
since when is MythTV responsible for hardware detection or hardware support?
sorry, but now you disqualified yourself... :(

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MythDora on AMD64 systems

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 83.67.105.53] on August 28, 2007 10:31 PM
Hi,

Good article. One comment from my experience... I installed MythDora 4 "upgrading" from a roll-your-own ubuntu install on an AMD64 machine in the hope that MythDora would plug a few driver holes with my system (remotes etc). I found that MythDora had no end of trouble... Random crashes, seg faults and core dumps gallore. I did mem checks, hardware checks and finally re-installed just in case it was a bogus image or something bur I still had the issue. The only thing I could put my finger on was the fact that I was using a dual core AMD64 machine... Be interested to hear if others had the same issues? Strange stuff like services failing and tables being corrupt in MySQL.

Anyway, I upgraded to ubuntu 7.04 AMD64 version, installed Myth as per the Ubuntu docs and solved most of my driver issues (not the damn Haupauge remote tho!). Myth works like a charm on my machine now. MythDora looked good but really killed my machine in the end.

Thanks,
James

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Re: MythDora on AMD64 systems

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 24.80.34.124] on August 29, 2007 06:59 PM
I'm not surprised by your problems if you're using a 64bit OS. While I'm quite happy with my AMD64 OS, 64bits is still in development although it's progressing rapidly. I expect most, if not all, distros will have 64bit ports this year. Well except for traditional Slackware.



There's no need to run a 64bit OS on AMD64 hardware. You might have avoided the problems you had using a 32bit Mythdora. Anyway, you found a solution that works for you and in the end that's all that really matters.

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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 76.22.188.74] on August 28, 2007 11:45 PM
A working link for Knoppmyth, not that your article makes it look to good in comparison - but for those that want to form their own opinion :P ftp://ftp.knoppmyth.net/R5

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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 192.168.0.95] on August 29, 2007 12:19 AM
Cool as This review was just want I needed to help deciede on Distro for my TiVO. Wife has been pressing me about it for some time. I found this article was just what I needed, a good overview, of working systems. Cheers
Scott

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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 68.105.243.49] on August 29, 2007 01:35 AM
Great review. I've tried KnoppMyth and didn't like it at all. I've started installing MythDora and so far I like it. Thanks for the help!

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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 121.44.83.174] on August 29, 2007 01:59 AM
Nice article. After reading some of the nasty comments I thought it best to say thanks, you've reviewed each of them well given respect to the article size and information required.

Would love to hear your review after Ubuntu 7.10 comes out.

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source feed?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 68.183.205.187] on August 29, 2007 03:03 AM
Can you comment on how these PVRs get their feed of TV-guide info? Is it reliable? Free? hard to configure? I'm also on a Tivo series 1, and imagine I'll need to make the switch one of these days. thanks, --Larry

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Re: source feed?

Posted by: Nathan Willis on August 29, 2007 04:56 AM
Larry, that is the "Zap2It Labs" or "DataDirect" issue, if you have heard anyone use those terms before. The upshot is that there has been a free schedule data service for the past few years, provided by Tribune Media Services, but they are shutting it down. Tribune also provides guide data to commercial web sites and newspapers; they're just axing the free service.

The alternatives to replace it depend on what country you live in; in the US a group of MythTV fans have set up a nonprofit to buy guide data from Tribune and provide it as cheaply as they can (nonprofitably). It's called SchedulesDirect -- the list of "previous articles by this author" will show a few recent stories about it that go into more detail.

Nate

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Re(1): source feed?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 71.243.83.63] on November 05, 2007 03:05 AM
I believe if you buy a commericial version MythTV you either are not eligible or pay more for SchedulesDIrect. It's best to roll your own system. Recommend you research this more to confirm.

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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 71.226.62.188] on August 29, 2007 04:40 AM
I have been using knoppmyth for about 6 months and really like it. It is easy to install and maintain. I wish there were more EPG options though. Keep up the good work. thanks

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ubuntu + mythtv packages rock!

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 62.245.224.131] on August 29, 2007 09:09 AM
After running a hopelessly vintage version of mythtv on fedora (like mythdora), which was no longer maintainable because Axel Thimm quicky stops even offereing packages for older fedora versions (FC4 is completely unsupported since many months), I was forced to upgrade, tried a current version of mythdora again, which caused nothing but problems (lots of manual configuration required, unstable/crashing packages).

A switch to a standard ubuntu installation plus the mythtv packages only cost me a few keystrokes, and to my surprise, I did not have to configure anything at all, everything worked out of the box. Even the installation of 3rd party tools was absolutely easy, since everything is very, very well documented.

So, if you want my advice - use ubuntu + mythtv packages and stay away from all other distros.

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what about linux mce?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 58.108.239.148] on August 29, 2007 09:59 AM
that offers even more options, and even has a better desktop environment (KDE).

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Re: what about linux mce?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 62.173.205.34] on August 29, 2007 12:36 PM
Other than the fact its UI sucks so hard it's ugly as sin? Oh look! It's got a revolving cube doohicky! @w3s0m3!!!!!! Teh 1337-z0r

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Re: what about linux mce?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 71.173.147.173] on August 31, 2007 05:15 PM
Just try to install and run it. It runs on a very narrow set of hardware, and installation takes about an hour.

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LinuxMCE

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 67.174.244.11] on August 29, 2007 10:28 AM
How does the Ubuntu based http://linuxmce.com/ compare?

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Re: LinuxMCE

Posted by: Nathan Willis on August 29, 2007 02:09 PM
It's different enough from the MythTV distros (both in intent and in implementation) that it doesn't make for a good comparison.

Nate

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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 74.69.154.191] on August 29, 2007 02:42 PM
excellent post, I just tried a fourth distro, imedia's very slim myth distro and have come to the same conclusion. Until the mythbuntu is spit shinned and pollished, the mythdora is king.

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Please add hardware test configurations

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 172.25.182.23] on August 29, 2007 04:46 PM
"I tested all three distros on two configurations: an Intel-based test machine with both analog and digital capture cards, and a VMware virtual machine through which I captured the lovely screenshots littered about this page."



Please add the hardware test configurations broken out by component (motherboard, CPU, video, capture, remote, etc).

Thanks

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MythTV Linux system requirements

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 207.217.179.198] on August 29, 2007 07:25 PM
What are the system requirements for these distributions?

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Re: MythTV Linux system requirements

Posted by: Scott Carr on August 30, 2007 05:21 AM
I have an install for a friend on AMD 500Mhz system with 256 Mb ram. We ran into problems with 128Mb.

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Re(1): MythTV Linux system requirements

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 72.196.205.117] on September 11, 2007 12:34 PM
it might be to small for HDTV but it is more then enought for SD.

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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Nathan Willis on August 30, 2007 03:32 PM
Girkers, what you said (before "factual errors") was that I did not do my research "properly," to imply rhetorically that if I had, I would reach the same conclusions as you have and decide that I like KnoppMyth better than I like MythDora. That's just simply not true. Your anonymous friend led off with accusing me of not having actually *done* the review, "missing the point" and having been superficial. All of which is because you don't like my conclusions. Again, even if you dislike what someone says (and I repeat, I didn't dislike *any* of the distros), that doesn't mean the person you disagree with doesn't know what they're talking about (be that through blindness to the 'facts' as you see them or through stupidity at just not concluding what you think they should). The bottom line is that you have to accept that different people can examine the distros and come to different conclusions.

As to the version number of the mythtv binary or the size of the ISO, I assume that you are taking your cue from tjc's post on the thread Cecil started about this review at mysettopbox.tv. What can I say but what the binary on the system identifies itself as. Maybe it is mislabeled. Maybe the mythtv versions of all three distros are mislabeled, reporting the wrong patchlevel. Or maybe R5F1 has gotten a newer version of mythtv since I did the review, but without a bumping up the release number of the distro itself. I'd expect that of component patches; ultimately, though, that doesn't impact the assessment of the distros, since as is stated in the review they are all on equivalent ground, and except for minor differences between the plugins installed, they give you the same system. And yes, you can download R5F1 from a number of mirrors, listed at http://www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html .

And no one has had their comments deleted from this discussion; that ability isn't even built into the system (witness the spam comment on the UFRaw 0.12 article). At least not yet. It does need to come at some point, though, to handle spam and (in theory) something that violates the law, but if you're insinuating that someone would have their comment deleted because of what their opinion is, that's not true now and it never has been of Linux.com or NewsForge. Witness the comments that are present in this thread right now, from yourself and others.

Nate

Update: comment system somehow didn't thread this right; re-posted above in reply to the PP's comment.
[Modified by: Nathan Willis on August 30, 2007 11:48 AM]

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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 146.131.120.2] on August 30, 2007 05:26 PM
Wow! I can't believe you guys. Don't pay any attention to the comments. It doesn't matter what you write, someone will be unhappy. Here is something I think all will agree with. For the past two years, I have been using XP Media Center and recently, with all the patches, it started to crash daily so I upgraded it to Vista and now it's worse! Effectively, MS has disabled my TV viewing pleasure.

I have always been a Linux/Unix fan, but because of work, I have been running a Windoze network. Well, recently I am no longer need to have this and am now switching all 6 of my home computers/servers to Linux (finally) for good. I have been looking at Myth and am excited to try it. This review has helped me a lot. I read it with an open mind and already realized there are other distro's out there that I would look at as well.

I never read it and decided I would just use a distro based on the reviewer's comments. If anyone has, I have some swap land for sale... lot's of water. I think the review was very informative, raised peoples awareness (did you a favor). I didn't even know Knopp MythTV distro existed. Anwyay, thanks for taking the time to review then and let us all know what's out there.

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Re: Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Nathan Willis on August 30, 2007 05:56 PM
I know that, and really I don't pay attention to people who are just mad that their favorite piece of software didn't end up on top -- it does, as you say, happen with every review. But on a few of these where they raise questions about the validity of the contents of the article, I do have to go back in and post something to validate what's there, so it's on the record for the future reader who ends up here via search engine. Maybe that''s not necessary either.

In any event, glad that you found it useful. To be honest, I have zero personal experience with XP Media Center; it'd be interesting to hear about your experiences coming from that background. Switching over half a dozen servers is a big undertaking; good luck.

Nate

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Re(1): Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 71.173.147.173] on August 31, 2007 05:31 PM
"I don't pay attention to people who are just mad that their favorite piece of software didn't end up on top"

That really isn't why people are mad, and if you really believe that you will keep running into the same problem. They're mad because of your factual errors, omissions, and that it looks as if you framed the facts to fit your conclusion. You didn't even go deeply enough to see that KnoppMyth tweaks a lot of the default MythTV settings for you and even auto-configures certain hardware. If you have an hd-3000, hd5000, hd-5500, or an HDHomeRun, you will see entries pre-populated in mythtv-setup for that hardware. You also didn't mention automation. One example is that other MythTV distros ask you to choose your remote control from a list, but KnoppMyth auto-detects USB-based remotes and auto-configures them for you. A dialog you don't ever see beats a pretty GUI any day :) KnoppMyth also uses data from your channel subscription provider to automatically configure MythWeather for you, saving you the pain of seemingly endless scrolling in MythWeather to set things up. In many cases, KnoppMyth even auto-grabs channel icons for you without needing to ask you anything.

You mentioned installation time but didn't quote numbers. How did all three distros compare in total time to run MythTV, from inserting the CD/DVD to watching live TV? How much setup did you need to do in each distro, and how much was done for you?

Rather than go into these details, I see that you focused on things like the default theme that each distro picked, and gave MythDora "some points for taste." Can you see how it might look as if you set out to write an "I like MythDora" review and chose talking points to make that happen?

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Re(2): Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 65.11.141.160] on November 20, 2007 05:37 PM
Thanks for providing extra information about knoppmyth. That is more useful than complaints without added details.

I think the author of the review did a favor to all three distros. There was enough not said to leave readers (like myself) curious to know more. All were given satisfactory grades which means it is fairly low risk to follow in the footsteps and try all three.

As far as knowing about the inner workings of Knoppmyth, maybe the author could have queryed and researched. Maybe there were time constraints relative to the total amount of work necessary to research all three distros deeply. If the author doesn't have the exact hardware for which Knoppmyth is optimized (and even if the author does), it's difficult to realize the full benefit of having Knoppmyth.

Anyway. Thanks to everyone participating here. Maybe someone will pick up on this review and take it further. Maybe they will do a nice video. Maybe they will do a not so nice video but license it so that others can take it and run with it.

Finally, it's possible that the reviewer confused some Knoppmyth automation for a lack of features. If so, mistakes happen. That's why I am looking forward for someone else to do Knoppmyth real justice.

I would also like to see more on LinuxMCE. There was a video done a while ago where those commenting trashed the product. I can't imagine why except that Microsoft realizes that not only are their products less stable, secure, etc, but they are quickly becoming less user friendly than Linux alternatives. Whether LinuxMCE is cooked or not, the potential showed through.

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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 146.131.120.2] on August 30, 2007 08:07 PM
Well, they are all not servers. Only one is a server, the rest are workstations.



XP Media Center was OK for two years until recent patches released started crashing the system daily. I say "recent patches" because nothing has changed on my TV box in the last 6 months accept that I accept all the announced patches when MS sends them out. This is why I "assume" it's patches causing the problems.



My ONLY concern with using MythTV is that I will not pay for TV listings and so far, it's my understanding that you have to do this when using MythTV... is this absolutely true?



Also, I will choose the Fedora distro simply because I am putting Fedora on all my other PC's and I would like to maintain the same distro thru the network.

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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 68.84.13.99] on September 03, 2007 05:30 PM
Great review for those newbs who never heard of Mythtv. For clarity sake, please read the last sentence (disclaimer) of the first paragraph again. The author clearly states he found a distro to fit 'his' needs and welcomes you to find 'yours'. Everything else beyond that must be considered his opinion whether it is based on accurate information or not. A few facts one can't deny. This is Linux and Mythtv is free software. If one favors software based on aesthetics over functionality, or visa-versa that's perfectly fine because that's what they want. If you want the same things then cool, and if not, still cool. If it runs on Linux, be prepared to cut some teeth period!. I have used KnoppMyth for @ 10 months and it rocks as a standalone server. I wasted my hard earned money on commercial offerings like SageTv and had all kinds of problems. So you see, to me all three distros win. All newbs report to mysettopbox.tv to form your own opinion!! Without a doubt, MythTV is the ultimate PVR software. Btw, to date I have spent Zero $$ on this software or electronic programming guide. go Myth, go linux, it's ya birthday...

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KnoppMyth R5F27 released

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 71.173.147.173] on September 15, 2007 06:06 AM
The author linked directly to KnoppMyth R5F1, and readers may be led into thinking that it's the latest version. Please follow the first link in the article to get a full list of mirrors hosting R5F27.

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What a waste of my time

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 192.101.136.224] on September 21, 2007 07:22 PM
I was looking for a good comprehensive article on the differences between the 3, along with Usage reports etc.. And what I got instead was the article above.. Thanks for wasting my time, wish I had the last 5 minutes of my life back

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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

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Follow up with mythbuntu final

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 12.172.70.2] on November 02, 2007 05:42 AM
You really should follow up with the final release of mythbuntu 7.10. Now that things have stabilized, a fair comparison can be done (and using the latest knoppmyth too).

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Three MythTV Linux distros comparedd

Posted by: koray on November 04, 2007 04:07 PM
Ubuntu on my primary desktop machine, and had a relatively painless experience installing MythTV on it courtesy of the official repositories. Only while waiting for the MythBuntu ISO image to download did I decide to check out its competition

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Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 192.168.0.100] on December 29, 2007 09:20 PM
Nice review, thanks! I was planning to build my own Media Center from the ground up (build a PC, install my fav distro, then install MythTV and do all the setup/config manually) but decided to check out some of the distros already integrated with MythTV to save myself some hassle and frustration. I'm not a *buntu fan, so I had already made my decision there. I didn't think you were being unfair to KnoppMyth at all. If I wanted something to "just work" without extensive maintenance or lots of tweaking, I would probably go with KnoppMyth at this point. After all, Knoppix has always been great for quick and easy out-of-the-box use. But I'm the type who has to mess with things constantly... lots of "extras" and a full package manager is an absolute necessity for me, and I need a fully-functional, fully-customizable OS underneath the MythTV frontend. So I'll try out MythDora and see how it goes.

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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

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Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 87.168.77.112] on February 10, 2008 10:24 AM
Thank you for the comparing of the three systems. I have tested two of them. Knoppmyth is buggy. Installation fails on new system. I have never had this problems with any of the ubuntu distris. Mythbuntu is the best solution. Linux mce have nice installation guide but it fails at the end of installation X server...

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Three MythTV Linux distros compared

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 209.120.199.30] on February 25, 2008 07:32 PM
Wow! there are obviously some digruntled readers here... I guess thier Perception is thier Reality...

Myself, I appreciate the review! I have been reading and have seen some Demos at a local Linux Club... I have been an avid fedora fan and am leaning toward Mythdora (Mainly because of familiarity with the distro) Thanks for your time and efforts with the review!

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